ITB Postgame Show: Where Do Eagles Go From Here After Fourth Straight Loss?

Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Inside the Birds Postgame Show. I'm Geoff Mosher. That's Adam Caplan. I'm here at Lincoln Financial Field after the Eagles have lost a fourth straight game. They lost to the Carolina Panthers 25 to 14 in week six. Adam, this is their longest losing streak since the 2020 season. And we all remember how the 2020 season went and ended. It was not good. And the after part of that was a lot of changes. There's a lot to talk about here. Some things to get into. I have some questions about some of the things that the Eagles did. But I also, as I look at it and I say to myself, even if I got good answers to the questions that I have, I'm not sure any one of those things makes a difference. Right now, the Eagles are in a bad state. But the one thing that I keep falling back on is that you feel for a defense that keeps them in games, that keeps them in games. And just, I mean, they cannot be asked to play 70 some odd snaps and hold it together all the time, especially against a team averaging 30 points a game. If they could just get a little bit more out of their offense, Adam, they might actually be able to steal victories here. Yeah. And the, the, the Panthers led them back in the game where they really shouldn't have, this is another game they never led. So many negative plays, it's just embarrassing. You know, I got to give Azzurro Averro, the defense coordinator, credit of the Panthers. He saw what the Jaguars did. Jaguar stupidly didn't blitz the Eagles really a lot until the second half. Right. And then the dam broke and what does he do in the first play? He caught, they bring it. They hit Tanner McKee repeatedly. In fact, he was officially hit 11 times. I'd love to know what the actual pressure rate was. Okay. It was embarrassing. This is the first time all season. Well, I shouldn't say the bear game. They look unprepared, but there's some other things going on. But yes, they look like they weren't ready to play. After being really looking like they were ready to play despite all the issues going to the Jacksonville game. They blew that game, blew the Rams game. But I'm sure Manny looks way behind. Let's be honest. I thought you had a good text to me. You and I were texting during the game. Some of our thoughts before the game, based on what we think it might look like. You were talking about the quick game. I didn't understand why they didn't do that. You have a guy who had two days with the ones, a quarterback plus a walkthrough. Get the ball out of his hands quickly. Particularly because you've got three offensive line changes. You only got two starters left. I just didn't like it. So as the late, great Stan Hockman once said at the Philadelphia Daily News, what a disaster. It really was. It was. And that was one of my bigger question marks. And like I said, I don't know if they do something differently here that they win this game. They are really facing an uphill battle. And to add some context, I think it's important before I even start questioning things or right. They did not, some of the optimism that they had about the offensive line just didn't come to fruition. Obviously, Landon Dickerson did not get taken off IR for this game. And then Drew, I watched them work out Drew Kendall on the field prior to the game. And you can tell he didn't look, I mean, the whole medical staff were there. I believe how he was there. They were working him out. It's not that I could tell when you're just taking snaps, right? That's what they were doing, taking snaps in the end zone. It's not like I could tell how he how he feels there. But when he was done, he looked to me like he was hobbling back to the locker room. So that gave me a clue that he probably wasn't going to play. And it was going to be Majors and Lampkin again. So that context is important. They are facing an uphill challenge every week with that interior offensive line and no flashy running backs. And then, of course, Carson Steele gets hurt. They actually had one, but they refused to play him. Jaden, well, that's my that's going to be my second question. Let me just let's just get to the let's get to the first thing because you and I are in agreement on this. Yeah, I thought this would be the game where maybe going under center, even that's your offensive staple is not a great idea, which we talked about the pregame show because you want quick game. You want the key to see the defense and you want to be able to throw it immediately under center. Passing is just by nature a slower developing play. You have to fake the handoff. You have to turn around and then you have to serve in the defense. The first play of the game, think for them, they go under center and he takes an 11 yard sack. I didn't chart all of it, but I can guarantee you and I can't wait to we do Inside the Data this week and really get into the numbers. I guarantee you their EPA for under center had to be atrocious. I wonder why they even continued with it as the game went on. Yes. Sorry. Let's unpack. Just talking to coaches over the years when you're short-handed, you try to take advantage of what you do have. This is nothing that annoys me. You have Elijah Moore, we've joked is the designated motion player. Why is Hollywood Brown even on the team if you're not going to use him? He was a healthy inactive. I say this, he did not have a game status designation. That means not questionable, not doubtful, out. Doesn't mean his injury went away, he still has the injury, but he practiced, he took the normal amount of reps he would take. He was healthy enough to play. They didn't play him. There goes your downfield threat. Jaden Blue is in the NFL because of one reason, he's explosive. He had to be active because he only had three running backs for the game. Carson Steele unfortunately hurt his shoulder, it looked bad. He couldn't come back. You're down the entire game. I understand you don't want to ask him to be in pass protection. You probably don't want to do that. That's fine. But on first down when the game is relatively close, you're not getting blown out before they got blown out at the end. You can't put them in as a change up, like that's bad coaching. You as coaches have that power to try something different. That's the problem I have. I see it way different than probably the fans do with this. I look at it from a coach's view. This is what I'm given. I don't control the guys who are not playing. I have nothing to do with that. I don't control injuries. But how about I take advantage of what the general manager has given me? $5 million, you don't think enough for this guy. You're not going to play him? Really? Why is he here? Right. Continuing the usage question that we have, because I agree with you. I thought it looks to me, and I think it was pretty early, you could tell, they were not going to try to run the ball. Good idea. You don't have a good offensive line. You don't have an explosive running back. Their idea was to try to throw it into the flats with Damian Pierce. Okay, why don't you try it through field, throw it in the flats or someone who has explosion like a J-Dom blue. And if you're the answer from the coaches is, he's never played for us. He's never, he's only been on our system for a little bit. He's all, he was only there for insurance reasons. I would have said, well, what do you have to lose? I mean, you are. Yeah. Yeah. Like you were saying, what do you have to look like? He's a functional player. He knows how to go line up and catch a pass that might be open in the fall. That's a lot to ask, but I'm just as a running back, like if he screws up, like if he doesn't, if it's a toss right and it goes left, pull him out of the game. Okay. He screwed it up. He doesn't go back. I get that. I totally get that from a coach standpoint, but you just nailed it. Just in terms of explosion, your two most explosive players, two of the most explosive are Hollywood Brown, who's here because he could run. Okay. At least we thought he could. I have to wonder now, why aren't they playing them? Okay. He was healthy enough to play. And Jaden Blue, who was drafted where he was. He had off the field stuff, which we've talked about, but the Cowboys were done with them. But the Eagles brought him in. He's explosive. Let him play, man. Because you're grasping for stuff now. You're just looking for something. Smitty played. Wicks got hurt. It looked bad and he came back in. We'll see if he's even able to play next Monday night against the Cowboys. But Lehmann played like they had terms of their past target group. They're there. And you saw some swing passes. You saw the willingness of Tanner McKay to be able to dump the ball off. Okay, at least that's something. But as you said, David Pearce, he's not explosive at all. He's a straight ahead runner. Less than three yards to carry. What are we doing here? Can you try to help yourself out as a... This is just not good coaching. I'm sorry. I know it might be minor to some people, but I just have learned from Covern's Business 27 years, you can't make excuses for the things you don't have. Take advantage of what you have. They're not doing that. Look, it's one thing if they didn't deserve to be in the National Football League, okay? Hollywood Brown's been in the league a long time. It got a former first round pick. And blue is a guy's explosive. Just try something. Let's move on. You nailed it when you said, what do you have to lose? Nothing. They have nothing to lose. They're not going anywhere. Come on, man. And I know, I know that because you needed Jadon blue, at least on the, on the active roster for insurance, which wound up being the case because Carson steel did get hurt and they still didn't get him in. I understand that made your 53 man roster tricky to have a player you don't really want to play. And so that you weren't able to sign Zach Ertz. But I have to feel like how we could have figured out a way to get Zach Ertz on the 53 at the expense of someone else on the bottom of the roster. And I think a guy like, or again, if you were planning on doing quick game and you needed some reliable guys that could help you, you saw Goddard had a nice game. Ertz can do a lot of those things. You get them both on the field at times. You might be able to hit them in the middle. There was nothing over the middle of the field except for Goddard. And I can't even say Goddard because a lot of his catches were on out routes as well. So again, we could argue about all this. And I think it's a bad job, but I don't know that if the reverse situation happens that they win that game. But you want to at least give yourself a better chance. That's it. It's not about arguing. It's about this is what you have at your disposal. Use them, okay? Yes, Blue had to be on the game day roster because they had a free running backs. You can't go into a game as I said in a pregame show with two. You can't do that. Then Steel gets hurt early on a pass. And that's somewhere he could have helped them. But they're in a tough way, man. This is a tough deal. And the defense did the best it could. They got another injury. Nolan Smith suffered a concussion. He left the first half. Jordan Davis was also limping in the locker room. Yep, not good. And Keyshawn James Newby, some would argue probably not an NFL player. He's only on the roster because they ran out of players. They needed more edges. So we'll see what the tape looks like. I'm interested to see if Campbell will line up as an edge rusher. A lot of the times when he's lined up on the edge, it's more of an add-in defender against the run. But I want to see if he's a true edge rusher or not. I'm curious because they have to do it. They're running out of players. What are they going to do now? Everything in life comes down to choice, doesn't it? Whether it's choosing the team you root for, who you listen to, or how you power your home, you deserve the freedom to choose your own adventure. And that goes for your power bill too. Right now across the US, Americans have the potential to harness limitless, clean, affordable energy. We could be powering our hospitals, our schools, our farms, and so much more. In some places, this abundant local power is already helping lower utility bills and creating jobs. But depending on where you live, you may not have the option to choose limitless energy for your household. That has to change. 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And that really leads me to my what I want, you know, in 20 some odd years of being in locker rooms, I feel like I'm not a therapist or I don't have a major, but I have a good idea when guys are out of answers. Okay. But and they're saying the right things, but they're also saying them and you can read their faces where they're also out of answers. And poor Jordan Milata, who I respect a lot. He walked into the locker room and said, I'm ready, stood in the middle of locker room and said, let's all talk. Right. He didn't make anybody wait. He knew the questions were there. Remember, with no Lane Johnson, with no Brandon Graham, he is now, him and Jordan Milata are what I will say the elder statement, him and I'm sorry, Dallas Goddard are the elder statement. Obviously, Jake Elliott is the elder statement, but he's a kicker. So those guys have been on team longest. And I did talk to Jordan just about, hey, what do you remember from 2020 when you were a young player and you had those guys being leaders? And he said, body language, important, setting the tone, important, not letting people getting sucked into the malaise, important. But, you know, you can also tell from a lot of Jordan's answers. Like he was basically saying, it stinks now. This is a great opportunity for guys like Markelle Bell, guys like Lampkin, guys like, who's the center? Yeah, they'll get better. And I said, but how do you reconcile the, the advantages of getting better over the, you need to win before, you know, you start winning games and he said that is the challenge. And that's when, you know, guys understand that they're out of answers. The answers are health, but they're not all health, but it's a big part of it. And we just don't know when this team will ever be right from a health standpoint. All right. Let's, let's go to back to offense. Then we'll hit the defense and get out of here. So McKee, McKee, he's a long release. He, his stride, it's not an overstride like once, but he's got a long, like his legs are, it takes him a long time to get the football out. He gets hit, it gets deflected. Yes, there were some bad, real bad pass pro in this game. Some confusion. In fact, McKee, I listened to McKee's press conference. He was, I'll say this, I know they lost. He was sort of upbeat, like he knows what they have to do to clean this up. I thought he was very uneven on putting it kindly. He had a couple of great throws to Smitty, great throws. But overall, he missed some throws where the ball wouldn't come out right. It just was not coming out right. I just, like, is he not stepping into it? It's hard to see off TV, but just uneven. They've got to get some explosion at running back. Damian Pierce is like a basic, a third string running back at this point. They need some juice. The coaches have to have a talk with Howie. Either they're going to use Jaden Blue, it's pronounced Jaden by the way, looked it up. I thought it was Jaden, but it's Jaden Blue. Okay, Jaden. He's on the roster, use him. Again, this is our buzz point. What do you have to lose at this point? By the way, the Giants found a way to lose to the Saints. This division, guess what it's becoming again? The NFC Least. The NFC Least. I know. It is total garbage. I mean, you know, commanders, I can't imagine how bad it's going to be for them on a Monday night. It should be, but you never know about this business, Rue, and you least expect it. Offensively, the good thing is, Smitty played, Wicks played, got hurt. Cooper, you knew because Smitty's back, he's not going to be a factor. There's no way. It's like we said before the season started, if everyone's playing, he's not getting the ball. He just didn't get the ball. That's a tough deal. The lack of passes inside the numbers was concerning to me. I don't get it. I saw a little bit, but not nearly enough. Again, there are things that these coaches could do. You can't blame it all on injuries. I agree. Good coaches don't do that. I agree. I think the biggest issue facing the Eagles, even when they get healthier, let's say, say, quiet comes back, let's say, Hertz gets back. Who knows? He's on IR. The biggest issue right now they're going to face is every defensive coordinator is Brian Flores against them because of their offensive line, specifically the interior offensive line. Every defensive coordinator is just putting six, seven guys, double mugging, zero blitzes. I mean, how many zero blitzes did the Panthers think? Holy cow. You know, it's crazy. You know where the coordinator, Evero, is from? He coached under Fangio. That's why he's running Fangio. Well, he put a little salt and pepper in under Fangio. Because he knew exactly what he was getting. That's called good coaching. Sure. That's called good coaching and the Eagles had no answer. You've got Chris Cooper, the offensive line coach who he's got to show me something. I know he's up against him. He's playing free backups, but you got to be better here. It was tough, man. It was tough. You would have thought that Panthers had 15 sacks of this game. They had 11 quarterback hits. They had a bunch of guys who got at least two. Devin Lloyd blitzed. Mayrig, the safety who also plays nickel. Jalen Phillips got hurt in the game. He left for a bit, came back and fought. Lee Hunter, the rookie, Travis Gibson got in there for a hit. It's getting really, really hard, and it's not like anyone else is coming back here on the offensive line. It's maybe Dickerson at some point, but with him, you have no idea what to expect from him. No idea. That's my point, is that for the rest of the season, everybody's going to be Brian Flores against the Eagles. They are just going to bring the house. I totally agree. I totally agree. So that is the problem. And I will say this, the issue, the reality and the truth that the Eagles need to be better coached on offense is also couched by the fact that the Eagles chose to have a novice offensive coordinator who has not called plays before. So you're asking not only your players now who are young and inexperienced to play above their means, but to get coached by and have their plays drawn up by a coordinator who's not used to this and just getting his feet wet in his own right. And that just makes it like quicksand. So defensively, this was like the crux of my Philly voice story is that you cannot ask a defense to be, the defense played really well. You can talk about a big play here or there, but into the fourth quarter, a team averaging 30 points only had what 14, right? Until they scored that last touchdown, it did its job, but eventually it's going to break. So I have zero critiques other than a few missed tackles. They did a great job against the run game. I know, I know. Well, that's what, that's my point there. I wrote this down. Entering the fourth quarter, Hubbard has, was averaging 2.9 yards per carry entering the fourth quarter. Now he finished with over 100 yards and average 4.3, which is about his, that's the kind of running back. He is, he's a 4.3 on a good day. He's not a great flashy running back. He keeps his feet churning though. Yeah. They did a good job, but I don't know how much more you could ask of them. And even Vic, Vic became Brian Flores for a little bit, right? He was throwing kitchen sink blitzes at the Panthers and then they caught on to it at the end. Yeah. It's, it's, it's tough. I mean, it's not so much a time of possession. The first half of the Eagles actually one time possession, but they, the defense kept giving them the ball back and they kept going out. It's just, it's embarrassing. It's, it's, it's really hard to watch. I don't feel 2020 because this team is way more talent than 2020. I'm not saying this is a very talented team, but they've got way more talent now. They have a terrible injury situation, but defensively they had enough guys there. Now, a couple of things you should know. Grenard played hurt. He was hobbled despite not having a game status designation. He said Friday made it pretty clear. It's going to be a game day decision whether he plays or not. He played early, like three or four snaps, and he went in for a while. Then when he came back, Andrew and I, three of us, me, you and Andrew were texting. I go, there he goes, hopping. He goes, here comes Keyshawn James Newby, who looks about 220 pounds. He's listed as 240, but he's a guy who's got some speed, but he's too small to play in the NFL right now. They've got problems. They really have some problems on defense. But like you said, they kept in it. Coker got them a little bit. But I think what we're seeing now in the last three games, the defense plays really well for two, two and a half quarters, but at some point the dam breaks. You can't keep asking that. That's what you're saying and I agree, is you can't keep asking the defense to do this. It's not humanly possible. Correct. This is not. I mean, it's just you can't keep asking them to hold up. Then the question is defensively, who are they going to have as edge rusher group? Because so Nolan Smith concussion, Grenard will get some time off, but he's got this ankle, he re-injured it clearly. He was hobbled. It's like who are they going to have? Who are they going to have? It's a great question. I don't understand the Grenard situation, Adam, because like you said, he did not carry a game designation. He was full practice. The only thing that I thought that would limit him would be conditioning. But clearly, that's not, I mean, he played so few snaps that it couldn't just have been a conditioning issue. Like you said, he even seemed, I guess by his own words, like, I'll give it the best I can. But if you're full practicing and full, and you're not on the injury report with a game designation, I'm of the assumption that you're feeling great and fine, and conditioning would only be the obstacle, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It's funny because Vic did say when he was asked about Granard coming off of the reserve list that, or excuse me, he wasn't, they didn't put it, it was about how much he could play once he's clear to play. He said, oh, he's going to be restriction. He doesn't like the ramp up here at Vic, but he knew because Granard hadn't practiced since last season. He's going to need time. But they're in almost a crisis right now with their edge group because they just don't have enough players. What I like, I mentioned Campbell, because I know they play Carter on the edge. I'm wondering if O'Jomo did it. I'd like to ask Greg that now. I know you'll be able to see the tape tomorrow. I'm wondering about that. But it's like at this point, you're looking for guys who are healthy. Bon could do it. He's done some of it. Obviously, he did it in college. Hunt's out. We know Hunt's out. Smith's out with a concussion. Their practice squad. Oh, Mason Ryger, he had a big injury history in college. I don't even know if he could play the NFL. Dolphins cut him. He's had a Wisconsin. He's got great size. Dolphins cut him injured with an injury settlement. He had pretty significant injury concerns coming out of Wisconsin. So who knows? They're so desperate at this point. You take anybody, anyone who can move. You just hit it on the head. You might say Mason Ryger, I don't know, but if you're on the 53 of the practice squad at this point and you play edge, you have to be under consideration to get on the field. There's no doubt about it. It's crazy. This dude's big, by the way. 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He basically said the guy was on his back as he was trying to get up. He's like, how can I body slam a guy? He said he was told he body slammed the guy, and his response was, how can I body slam someone who's on my back? That's the point, right? Yeah. But to the overall point, and I asked a couple of guys this in the locker room, it's really important. It's very imperative moving forward. The guys started, Mylada, Cooper, Dajin, everybody, Jalen Carter. They've got to set a bet. Practice has to be spirited. They have to act like Andy Reid used to after the worst of the worst loss, which is bounce back the next day and act like it never happened because there's too many young players. There's too many inexperienced players. And unfortunately, those are the kind of players not to. It's just human nature, something I've observed 20 years of doing this. They get sucked into the malaise quicker. All right. It's easier to just think like what was us. We've got the injury, the veterans and the starters absolutely need to set a great tone. They can't let their emotions get the best of them. Even Koop said that Jordan Mylada talked about how important that was going to be in the week leading up. That can only get you so far. But the point is the Eagles are at least competing. I mean, they had a chance there in the third quarter. Honestly, they got the ball back, right? And first play, what was the first play? A bad snap that that just killed it. That to me is the turning point of the game because they had a shot. It was slim. They had a shot. And then that just totally, you knew they were behind the sticks and they were going to have to put a funny story before that. Before that series, I texted Andrew and I knew that's all folks. That's it. They're done down to two scores. It's over. There's no way they're coming back whether they play offense. And all of a sudden, they get the ball back down less than seven. I'm like, okay, do they actually have a chance? This is insane. They shouldn't. But the defense hung in there. And then the bad snap by Jake Majors. Oh, boy. They just can't get out of their way with this injury thing. I know people want to smoke and go with injuries. Oh, what's the problem? Why can't they keep these guys healthy? It's just the law of averages. They've been so healthy under this regime. Since Sirianni got here, they're just boasts. It's not one side of football either. It's like every, it's almost every position in their offensive line. D-line, linebacker to it, to Campbell's been hurt. Yep. Edge group, yes. Cornerback group. Not as much, more safety. You know, safety, yes, Victor. But Kenny Moore technically didn't start, technically he didn't start because of the formation that came in, but he seemed to play a lot and he was in early. It's so funny. Vic had no plans to play more at safety this season. What did that all change? You ran out of time. Like you have to do something. By the way, I know he played, but did you see Marcus Epps? I did not. I think he might've played special teams. I'll have to, I'll touch. I don't remember seeing him much on defense and I don't think Vic started rotating Trotter in until later in the game. Is that correct? Like it wasn't a rotation at the start. I don't think I still try to maybe it was second quarter, but second quarter. Okay. Yeah. I, I, I, I still very curious what the tape shows on Campbell and whether you line up at edge. He has to line up as a true edge rusher, not just a run defender. They need somebody, anybody who it's to this point where you're not going to ask BG to come out of retirement. It's ridiculous. That that's that they need someone who's a little bit younger. Yeah. You asked that when you were like one player away from winning at all. Not when you're in total collapse mode. He's going to be like, wait, I'm coming back for that. Yeah, exactly. No, you beg them if it's, if it's late in the season, you're trying to get the playoffs. Right. At this point is the best you could hope for is to somehow to somehow hang in there for the division. Yeah. Giants were horrendous today. So it's this division. I don't know the hell I make of it. Do you look at this way? Could a team with nine wins win it? Eight. I was going to say, could a team, a losing team win it like the Panthers did last year? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I, and then this is for down the road, but it's a good way to end the show. I guess if that's the case, you root for it because guys, it shows that you persevered a little bit. You won some games down the road stretch. You won your division. You get a chance to play in the playoffs. But this was a Super Bowl year. You have guys making a lot of money who might be on their last, like Saquon Barkley, or you have Jalen at the end of his contract with the guaranteed money. I mean, you have Dallas Goddard back for that. That was not the expectation. So I don't know how fans work. Do they just adjust it in the middle of the season and say, screw it, or I just want to see development, or does it just become a disappointing year? The one thing I would say with the trade deadline being November 10th, obviously there's a lot of time here. You got a little bit less than four weeks, but in how he does not like being a seller, that's not the way he works, but we'll see what the record is as they get closer. I wouldn't rule anything out at this point. You got to see how it looks, because if they're like whatever, how many games they've played, if they're like three and eight, you're playing towards next year, you might as well start to write players. That's just the way it is. Then being a seven or eight win team, that does not help you. Who cares? But I'm going to be interested to see what happens if they're a bad team. Okay, they've lost four in a row, but if the dam really breaks, and it's obvious they're not going anywhere, it's not the way they work. You set it up fairly well here with in terms of what this thing looked like before the season, but no one could have known that Lane Johnson was still on the roster for cap reasons. It's kind of cool. It is what it is. And you know, who knew they were going to trade Juergens, but man, this is the season has not gone like we thought. I mean, anyone thought that they were going to be this bad as come on, please. Nope. It was not on my bingo card in 2026, a four game losing streak. And with Dallas on Monday night, the one thing about Dallas is they can score a lot of points. And right now the Eagles cannot. So that will be a big topic of conversation this week leading up with all of our great shows that we will have on the Inside the Birds platform. That's going to do it for the Inside the Birds post game show. That's Adam Caplan. I'm Geoff Mosher. 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